In your video lesson entitled, “Strong elbow, soft arm” you said that you were not deciding to change to a bong sao, but instead the soft arm was changing because of the pressure felt . Having said this, creates inconsistancy regarding double hand chi sao…this training drill has one intentionally move their arms in a circular pattern changing from one position (bong sao) to another (tan sao) as their training partner changes along with them. The key to this and the problem I have is “intention”. When practicing chi sao, there is an intent to move in a particular manner, a decision to move if you will. This requires you to guess what the other man will do rather than just feel it and move accordingly. Does this not present a problem?
In my opinion, it could be difficult if both partners do chisao with the same speed or same energy. However if one person naturally does chisao at say…20mph and the other does it naturally at 15mph, then both should feel the difference in energy. Maybe through practice we can learn to feel differences less than 1mph.
i have noticed that whenever my partner has a much better or much worse grasp of the concepts behind wing chun, chi sao looks better. What i mean by this is: if you are actively applying the concepts in a more thorough manner than your partner, at any speed, no thought is necessary and neither is any premeditated movement. your arm will naturally fall into place. its when you are evenly matched in terms of knowledge that strategy comes to play as you know what concepts your oppenent will use and exploit that knowledge. the advice i use is to close your eyes and think about something else. you will not win a game of chi sao for a while but when you start winning you will start winning consistently because it forces you to examine the base concepts in the art.
Hi again Jin,
( I replied before- I learned WC as a kid, and I’m RE-learning it now through practicing the sao/drills/concepts I wrote down & also using your site as a guide-book [ BTW your site is hands down the best instructional site on the internet, and you are an excellent instructor! )
So, I’ve been doing drills with partners- teaching eachother through drilling.
The problem both me and my drill partner are having is:
During Chi Sao ( 2 handed “steering wheel” chi sao ) we find that one of our shoulders gets sore quickly- cant remember if its the upper ( fook ) or lower arm – and I was hoping you might have an idea why this is happening. Something is wrong with the structure. I tried killing the shoulders and tried dropping the elbows but neither helped.
What would cause shoulder-pain during a circle chi sao drill?
Thank you very much Jin!
~ Drew Beckett
Jin,
In your video lesson entitled, “Strong elbow, soft arm” you said that you were not deciding to change to a bong sao, but instead the soft arm was changing because of the pressure felt . Having said this, creates inconsistancy regarding double hand chi sao…this training drill has one intentionally move their arms in a circular pattern changing from one position (bong sao) to another (tan sao) as their training partner changes along with them. The key to this and the problem I have is “intention”. When practicing chi sao, there is an intent to move in a particular manner, a decision to move if you will. This requires you to guess what the other man will do rather than just feel it and move accordingly. Does this not present a problem?
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In my opinion, it could be difficult if both partners do chisao with the same speed or same energy. However if one person naturally does chisao at say…20mph and the other does it naturally at 15mph, then both should feel the difference in energy. Maybe through practice we can learn to feel differences less than 1mph.
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WCGungFu Reply:
January 27th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
to be honest i’m just making sh$t up. Maybe Jin can tell us the real answer haha
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i have noticed that whenever my partner has a much better or much worse grasp of the concepts behind wing chun, chi sao looks better. What i mean by this is: if you are actively applying the concepts in a more thorough manner than your partner, at any speed, no thought is necessary and neither is any premeditated movement. your arm will naturally fall into place. its when you are evenly matched in terms of knowledge that strategy comes to play as you know what concepts your oppenent will use and exploit that knowledge. the advice i use is to close your eyes and think about something else. you will not win a game of chi sao for a while but when you start winning you will start winning consistently because it forces you to examine the base concepts in the art.
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Hi again Jin,
( I replied before- I learned WC as a kid, and I’m RE-learning it now through practicing the sao/drills/concepts I wrote down & also using your site as a guide-book [ BTW your site is hands down the best instructional site on the internet, and you are an excellent instructor! )
So, I’ve been doing drills with partners- teaching eachother through drilling.
The problem both me and my drill partner are having is:
During Chi Sao ( 2 handed “steering wheel” chi sao ) we find that one of our shoulders gets sore quickly- cant remember if its the upper ( fook ) or lower arm – and I was hoping you might have an idea why this is happening. Something is wrong with the structure. I tried killing the shoulders and tried dropping the elbows but neither helped.
What would cause shoulder-pain during a circle chi sao drill?
Thank you very much Jin!
~ Drew Beckett
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