Comments on: Taking the “Dead” out of “Deadlift” http://www.thechinaboxer.com/2009/10/28/taking-the-dead-out-of-deadlift/ Chinese Boxing Tutorial Tue, 09 Mar 2010 12:23:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: SMACK DOWN http://www.thechinaboxer.com/2009/10/28/taking-the-dead-out-of-deadlift/comment-page-1/#comment-830 SMACK DOWN Fri, 06 Nov 2009 01:34:48 +0000 http://www.thechinaboxer.com/?p=779#comment-830 hey hey just wanted to put my 100 bucks in, when i was training for my BJJ meets i trained with a guy named kurt elder he won the state powerlifting title two years in a row and work side by side with a guy named TR who owes pro camp they trained all pro athletes that we all know he easily pulled 6, 45 pound plates per side while having a conversation with me his shines were tore to shit the mistake most people make is they use to much weight before they know how to conduct the exercise properly, the movement is driving with the ass and legs to start hips stay down most people start by sticking the ass straight in the air with no clue that they are putting their backs at risk see it all the time the bar should drag along the shines, most people find it hard to believe they dont know what they are talking about instead of finding out learning and growing they stay closed and stubborn, human trait people are to scared to get past which in turn keeps them from being at the top with the elite, good job jon its good to know not everyone in this world is scared to set out learn and over come, i suggest every one take note of this mans form and look into some serous champion's form its time to move forward good luck, and for your back god speed. hey hey just wanted to put my 100 bucks in, when i was training for my BJJ meets i trained with a guy named kurt elder he won the state powerlifting title two years in a row and work side by side with a guy named TR who owes pro camp they trained all pro athletes that we all know he easily pulled 6, 45 pound plates per side while having a conversation with me his shines were tore to shit the mistake most people make is they use to much weight before they know how to conduct the exercise properly, the movement is driving with the ass and legs to start hips stay down most people start by sticking the ass straight in the air with no clue that they are putting their backs at risk see it all the time the bar should drag along the shines, most people find it hard to believe they dont know what they are talking about instead of finding out learning and growing they stay closed and stubborn, human trait people are to scared to get past which in turn keeps them from being at the top with the elite, good job jon its good to know not everyone in this world is scared to set out learn and over come, i suggest every one take note of this mans form and look into some serous champion’s form its time to move forward good luck, and for your back god speed.

]]> By: GrimReaper http://www.thechinaboxer.com/2009/10/28/taking-the-dead-out-of-deadlift/comment-page-1/#comment-821 GrimReaper Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:52:03 +0000 http://www.thechinaboxer.com/?p=779#comment-821 epthompson, thanks for calling Jin out. If Jon had said this is the form he recommends for folks coming off lumbar spine injuries and who are only ready to lift very light weights, then perhaps no one would have taken issue with it. But that's not how this video was presented. Again, I'd love to see a video of ANYONE deadlifting heavy with this form - say north of 2x bodyweight. And would love to see a spotter in action on this - if you can find people foolish enough to try and spot this from the side as Jon proposes. epthompson, thanks for calling Jin out.

If Jon had said this is the form he recommends for folks coming off lumbar spine injuries and who are only ready to lift very light weights, then perhaps no one would have taken issue with it. But that’s not how this video was presented.

Again, I’d love to see a video of ANYONE deadlifting heavy with this form – say north of 2x bodyweight. And would love to see a spotter in action on this – if you can find people foolish enough to try and spot this from the side as Jon proposes.

]]> By: epthompson http://www.thechinaboxer.com/2009/10/28/taking-the-dead-out-of-deadlift/comment-page-1/#comment-819 epthompson Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:05:51 +0000 http://www.thechinaboxer.com/?p=779#comment-819 I would be content if Jon can provide a link or reference to a single, reputable source that endorses this kind of technique, or provide a single video of someone deadlifting with spotters. and Jin, to say that this is one of many varieties of deadlift is disingenuous. This is video isn't presented as 'how Jon deadlifts', but rather 'how everyone should deadlift'. But it's just plain bad form, no two ways about it. I would be content if Jon can provide a link or reference to a single, reputable source that endorses this kind of technique, or provide a single video of someone deadlifting with spotters.

and Jin, to say that this is one of many varieties of deadlift is disingenuous. This is video isn’t presented as ‘how Jon deadlifts’, but rather ‘how everyone should deadlift’. But it’s just plain bad form, no two ways about it.

]]> By: Jin http://www.thechinaboxer.com/2009/10/28/taking-the-dead-out-of-deadlift/comment-page-1/#comment-814 Jin Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:13:42 +0000 http://www.thechinaboxer.com/?p=779#comment-814 lol...Jon gets to feel what i have to go through now when i make videos! =D Jon is only sharing what works for him, understand that there are many different kinds of deadlifts. if what you're doing is contradictory to Jon's method, there's nothing wrong with that either, i always say, if it works for you, then keep doing it. researching is also an important key, so taking ideas from other experts such as Rippetoe's is also a good idea. heck, people in the industry can't even agree on how deep to squat. so of course there will be different views, the important part is to research your own method and to find what works specifically to you, since we're all different, some short, some tall, some heavy, some light and the many factors that make us unique will all make something like the deadlift different for each of us. lol…Jon gets to feel what i have to go through now when i make videos! =D

Jon is only sharing what works for him, understand that there are many different kinds of deadlifts. if what you’re doing is contradictory to Jon’s method, there’s nothing wrong with that either, i always say, if it works for you, then keep doing it. researching is also an important key, so taking ideas from other experts such as Rippetoe’s is also a good idea. heck, people in the industry can’t even agree on how deep to squat. so of course there will be different views, the important part is to research your own method and to find what works specifically to you, since we’re all different, some short, some tall, some heavy, some light and the many factors that make us unique will all make something like the deadlift different for each of us.

]]> By: GrimReaper http://www.thechinaboxer.com/2009/10/28/taking-the-dead-out-of-deadlift/comment-page-1/#comment-812 GrimReaper Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:59:39 +0000 http://www.thechinaboxer.com/?p=779#comment-812 Haha, I just saw the title of this page - "Taking the 'Dead' out of 'Deadlift'". How appropriate. You've certainly done that. This should be called a Squatlift. Haha, I just saw the title of this page – “Taking the ‘Dead’ out of ‘Deadlift’”. How appropriate. You’ve certainly done that. This should be called a Squatlift.

]]> By: GrimReaper http://www.thechinaboxer.com/2009/10/28/taking-the-dead-out-of-deadlift/comment-page-1/#comment-811 GrimReaper Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:50:49 +0000 http://www.thechinaboxer.com/?p=779#comment-811 I'll second what Luco said. Your form may be helpful for people recovering from serious lumbar spine injuries, who are lifting very light weighs. But that is not correct deadlift technique. Show us a video of you or anyone else using that technique with a heavy load. I’ll second what Luco said. Your form may be helpful for people recovering from serious lumbar spine injuries, who are lifting very light weighs. But that is not correct deadlift technique.

Show us a video of you or anyone else using that technique with a heavy load.

]]> By: Luco http://www.thechinaboxer.com/2009/10/28/taking-the-dead-out-of-deadlift/comment-page-1/#comment-810 Luco Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:18:37 +0000 http://www.thechinaboxer.com/?p=779#comment-810 "Do any of you people have a degree in Physiology, Kinesiology, or a background in Biomechanics. Someone above had no idea what that even was." I do not believe you have a degree in physiology and kinesiology. If you're referring to my comment 'The NSCA might be the worldwide authority on biomechanics, whatever that means...' it doesn't mean I don't know what biomechanics are, it means saying an organisation is the authority on biomechanics is BS. It's not some sort of secret knowledge passed down through generations. If you primarily work with injured patients, noone is going to complain about the crappy form you teach them are they? They don't know any better. You're presenting this instructional video as an exercise for anyone looking to improve their strength, not as a specific exercise for a patient that's recovering from a couple of shattered lumbar disks. Get off your high horse and check your facts. Having done something for a long time doesn't mean you're right. Especially if you've been doing it wrong for 20 years. “Do any of you people have a degree in Physiology, Kinesiology, or a background in Biomechanics. Someone above had no idea what that even was.”

I do not believe you have a degree in physiology and kinesiology.

If you’re referring to my comment ‘The NSCA might be the worldwide authority on biomechanics, whatever that means…’ it doesn’t mean I don’t know what biomechanics are, it means saying an organisation is the authority on biomechanics is BS. It’s not some sort of secret knowledge passed down through generations.

If you primarily work with injured patients, noone is going to complain about the crappy form you teach them are they? They don’t know any better. You’re presenting this instructional video as an exercise for anyone looking to improve their strength, not as a specific exercise for a patient that’s recovering from a couple of shattered lumbar disks.
Get off your high horse and check your facts. Having done something for a long time doesn’t mean you’re right. Especially if you’ve been doing it wrong for 20 years.

]]> By: Ben http://www.thechinaboxer.com/2009/10/28/taking-the-dead-out-of-deadlift/comment-page-1/#comment-807 Ben Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:16:25 +0000 http://www.thechinaboxer.com/?p=779#comment-807 It doesn't take a degree in Kinesiology to see that this deadlift technique is just plain ridiculous. Seriously, read 'Starting Strength' by Rippetoe and Kilgore, and you'll do yourself and your clients a favor. What's more, why spot a deadlift when the lifter can simply drop it back on the bloody ground. It doesn’t take a degree in Kinesiology to see that this deadlift technique is just plain ridiculous. Seriously, read ‘Starting Strength’ by Rippetoe and Kilgore, and you’ll do yourself and your clients a favor. What’s more, why spot a deadlift when the lifter can simply drop it back on the bloody ground.

]]> By: Jon http://www.thechinaboxer.com/2009/10/28/taking-the-dead-out-of-deadlift/comment-page-1/#comment-806 Jon Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:35:22 +0000 http://www.thechinaboxer.com/?p=779#comment-806 I have been practicing for the past 20 years and worked in a prominent sports medicine clinic in NYC as Head Strength and Condition coach, along side with Physical Therapist and ATC's. I work primarily with injured patients. Mostly Knee, back, shoulder and neck trauma. 95% of my clients in my practice are referred to me by Ortopedic Specilaists, Physical Therapists, Chiroprators, and MD's. Do any of you people have a degree in Physiology, Kinesiology, or a background in Biomechanics. Someone above had no idea what that even was. And you Grimreaper? I have been practicing for the past 20 years and worked in a prominent sports medicine clinic in NYC as Head Strength and Condition coach, along side with Physical Therapist and ATC’s. I work primarily with injured patients. Mostly Knee, back, shoulder and neck trauma.
95% of my clients in my practice are referred to me by Ortopedic Specilaists, Physical Therapists, Chiroprators, and MD’s.

Do any of you people have a degree in Physiology, Kinesiology, or a background in Biomechanics. Someone above had no idea what that even was.
And you Grimreaper?

]]> By: Jon http://www.thechinaboxer.com/2009/10/28/taking-the-dead-out-of-deadlift/comment-page-1/#comment-805 Jon Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:25:42 +0000 http://www.thechinaboxer.com/?p=779#comment-805 I own that issue, and looks the same as I described, and have been to numerous NSCA conferences. I also used to administer tests that were elegible for Ceu's for NSCA. Body positions may vary due to femur and tibial length. The lifter in diagram has maintained normal spinal lordosis and scapular stabilization. In starting position knees are slightly past barbell and moves in a straight line up at end phase. There is forward flexion of the spine as you maintain a neutral spine. I own that issue, and looks the same as I described, and have been to numerous NSCA conferences. I also used to administer tests that were elegible for Ceu’s for NSCA. Body positions may vary due to femur and tibial length. The lifter in diagram has maintained normal spinal lordosis and scapular stabilization. In starting position knees are slightly past barbell and moves in a straight line up at end phase. There is forward flexion of the spine as you maintain a neutral spine.

]]>