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kfighter10 on Building Power

Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:56:04 +0000

The modern way of training now is just a combination of all the traditional ways plus recent scientific discoveries about human peak performance. I totally agree with power training and body building, they are vital to develop body strength and conditioning. Focus on both dynamic and static strength. Also, traditional training like hitting walls, poles etc..if you think about it, the purpose of those is to condition the body. Modern schools implement those in different ways nowadays, but the end goal is the same. Punching bags, kick pads, and all other hitting pads will condition your fists, shins, elbows etc.. to hit hard and sustain the impact. A combination of the modern and traditional style is I think what's best. There is no perfect way to train in martial arts, there are just so many factors involved. Maybe you just have to assess your self, conditioning, strength, stamina, flexibility, power, speed, agility and then come up with a training agenda that will best suit your needs.

Ars vitae on punching someone much heavier

Tue, 31 Aug 2010 06:03:29 +0000

I tend to be relaxed until my fist make contact. Once my contact feels structurally aligned and I can feel my fist sinking into the object, this is the point in time that I can decide to explode past the target. By explode, I mean using my twitch muscles akin to sneezing, where you're whole body issues force in a short space in time. If I use pure aggression/power against someone more skilled than me ie, my sihings then I end up hitting the floor REALLY fast, normally because I give them something solid to hold/redirect onwards.

WiredEarp on punching someone much heavier

Mon, 30 Aug 2010 02:25:13 +0000

Thanks Ars Vitae, I'll have a look through Jin's videos and see if I can find where he talks about the 'shovel method'. While we are all talking about punching, what is everyones opinion on tensing the fist/arm just before impact? When I was training (it was a very 'soft' style of WC in terms of chi sao etc) I was told not to do this, but that the ability to issue power without doing this would just come naturally over time. Nowadays, im in 2 minds. It definitely FEELS like im putting in more power/hitting harder when I tense, however, sometimes when hitting without tension i've been quite surprised at the effect on my opponent.

Jin on Hello from Philippines

Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:23:33 +0000

hi Manuel, welcome to the website! good to have more people from the Philippines here, keep practicing! make sure to read the FAQ at the top tab and you'll find the answer to your question.

Jin on Hello from the UK

Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:22:31 +0000

hey there, welcome to the website! glad to hear you are training, keep it up and keep us posted on your progress, peace!

Kitten on Hello from the UK

Sun, 29 Aug 2010 10:36:20 +0000

Hi,

I started Wing Tsun classes about 2 months ago and am really enjoying it.

I practice yoga regularly, and have done for the last 3 years.

I reached a yellow belt in Go Ju Ryu Karate while I was at Uni (quite a few years ago) and about 5 years ago took up Shotokan Karate, which I found I did not enjoy as much.

I have a lot to learn and an currently trying to get to grips with the 1st Form. I am learning another few moves each week.

Ars vitae on punching someone much heavier

Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:10:52 +0000

Hello WiredEarp,

I like your description of using structure, which I believe is Jin's shovel method analogy. I normally tell people, think of your arms as the Wing Chun long pole being a spear and that everything needs to be aligned from the tip/fist pointing at the target to the base of your pole being firmly planted for ground reaction force, to your body/spear-shaft having the right dynamic tension, ie not to stiff, or your'll damage your joints and not to soft where you'll collapse your structure. The best way I find, is to slowly build up the intensity of hitting the pad/object/partner comfortably, then increasing the explosive energy you can express, through your alignment.

Regards,

Ars vitae.

WiredEarp on punching someone much heavier

Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:20:13 +0000

I'm going to talk a load of what is probably bollocks now, as I haven't actually studied wing chun for about 10 years. However (and I feel this may be similar) I've had to develop my punch structure over the course of sparring in the last year. If my sparring partner and I are using chest pads (so we can hit harder than normal) as we do sometimes, I used to find it quite difficult to take his charges. Even now, if I dont have perfect form, I cannot reliable hold him back. However, when I DO hit him properly when he attempts to charge in, he either stops dead or flies backwards, as tho his own momentum has rebounded against him. The only way I can explain it is being a little bit like the African method of spearing a lion, by putting the butt of the spear on the ground, and angling the tip of the spear towards the lion, so when the lion leaps, he is not leaping against the strength of the man, but against the ground.He moves in and I hit and feel his power being diverted down my arm all the way to my rear foot, and it is almost like he is imbalanced upwards by the angle of the punch as well as its power combined with his own - sometimes breaking his balance, while still not requiring me to put in much power other than to hold my structure in alignment.

WiredEarp on Hooks uppercuts and Wing Chun

Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:05:03 +0000

In the last year or so i've been sparring kyokushin rules a couple of times a week against a friend who loves to use hooks. As Jin says, you need to attack the person, not the block. My Wing Chun has actually improved quite a bit over this time, as my structure has become much tighter (I think this is why he tries to use hooks so much, as my structure is in the way of my body/centreline). Once you stop their shoulder rotation as in Jins video abourt the outside gate/shoulder, their attack is pretty much useless (this was never taught to me, but seems to come out naturally when sparring). You shouldn't get into the repeatedly blocking game if possible, you should always be attacking - even your blocks should distrupt your opponents movements if possible, either by unbalancing them, weighing on them, or giving you the sensitivity to sense the opening and take it when they withdraw their hand.

A top ranked international boxer (or kickboxer) is almost always going to have a speed and power advantage over some unknown martial artist who doesn't have the benefit of training 6 hours a day. I dont think such comparisions are really that helpful. It can go the other way as well, i'd bet on a top wing chun guy who trains 6 hours a day over an average non professional boxer.

It seems POWER is the missing thing that it seems we can ALL agree on. There are far too many Wing Chun classes that dont teach power, or have structured methods of power training. Lots of them fall back on 'speed = power' and 'the power will come'. Sure, it will - but if you want power in a reasonable time frame, I believe its very important to train for it. At the least, you should be practising proper form on the wall bag and trying to give yourself an understanding of where your power can come from. This is the big thing I have decided is missing from my technique - I still lack the power I really want. I think Iron Palm or similar is a very good match with Wing Chun. Theres no point in hitting someone if you are not going to be able to really damage them. Because Wing Chun generates power differently to most MA styles, you really need to train this aspect if you want to have anywhere near the power that a boxer, karateka, etc can easily generate - hip and shoulder torquing is much easier to grasp quickly.

KaiHong on Training exercises to practice on my own?

Thu, 26 Aug 2010 22:30:38 +0000

Doing shadow boxing will help you get the movements(techniques) down, but it is best to find a partner who understands the concepts so that you can improve each other. By practicing with someone who also understands the concepts, you can help each other develop a deeper understanding and improve each other.

You could practice with someone who doesn't understand, but it will be harder to understand and apply the concepts.

Also, I just remembered, you can practice hitting the invisible mook jong and work on your footing and movements. Jin has a video where he does the wooden dummy form without a wooden dummy and using three sticks, which form a triangle, as a guide.

("As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another." – Proverbs 27:17, Bible)

Norbertr on new topics?

Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:03:36 +0000

Sup, does anyone know any one man sensesitivty and reaction training cuz im really weak at that.

Reply soon! Peace.

glai_01 on Hooks uppercuts and Wing Chun

Sat, 21 Aug 2010 17:18:57 +0000

thanks for all your effort sifu! i really want to have a work and have money so that i can train with you there even just for a week.. ^_^ more power sifu!

glai_01 on hello every one! new member here!!! hello sifu jin!! i'm from the philippines.. ^_^

Sat, 21 Aug 2010 16:29:02 +0000

hello manuel! i'm from quezon city.. to bad we can't be training partners.. i'm also a newbie in wing chun.. hope that we can improve together.. let's just train hard everyday.. tc always! godbless!

taedoju on hi!

Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:50:50 +0000

hello there, im from poland and i have just started my journey with wing tsun, i actually still do kickboxing along with wing tsun and ive got some background in taekwondo (done it for 2 years).Currently i own kickboxing club but well it is just a beggining of my way as coach.:)

taedoju on Training exercises to practice on my own?

Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:44:03 +0000

hi there, it is my first post, i think that doing something similar to shadowboxing would be good idea, i.e doing form few times, taking some techniques and trying to do them while moving forward using your imagination. Correct me if im wrong but i think that this can be usefull and this help with tactic during fight. And it offers conditioning benefit if done at good pace...(today for example i did pak sao drill with my partner, first form, light sparring and finished with "shadow wtbox " with set of burpees between "rounds" )

take care!